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Links shared between Lobste.rs and Hacker News in the last 3 days.

Each entry contains links to the submission on each site, and the submission's Score and number of Comments. If the ratio of comments to score exceeds 1.25, the topic is deemed to be controversial.

This page was generated 2026-09-01 19:02:14+0200. It usually updates hourly.

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First seen on Lobste.rs as A bicycle for the mind on 01 Sep 2026, submitted by waddlesplash. Score 5, comments 4

Then appeared on Hacker News 2h01 later as A Bicycle for the Mind, submitted by wrxd. Score 2, comments 0

First seen on Hacker News as Wasmi 2.0 – Engineering of the Fastest WebAssembly Interpreters on 01 Sep 2026, submitted by herobird. Score 5, comments 0

Then appeared on Lobste.rs 2h45 later as Wasmi 2.0 - Engineering of the Fastest Wasm Interpreters, submitted by isuffix. Score 3, comments 0

First seen on Lobste.rs as Andy Hertzfeld oral history on 01 Sep 2026, submitted by binjip978. Score 6, comments 0

Then appeared on Hacker News 1h04 later as Hertzfeld, Andy oral history, part 1 of 2 (2025), submitted by mpweiher. Score 1, comments 0  💤

First seen on Hacker News as Breaking down Amazon's mega dropdown (2013) on 01 Sep 2026, submitted by TheAceOfHearts. Score 2, comments 0

Then appeared on Lobste.rs 22m later as Breaking down Amazon’s mega dropdown (2013), submitted by cesarandreu. Score 26, comments 5  🔥

First seen on Lobste.rs as Janet 1.42.0 on 01 Sep 2026, submitted by veqq. Score 44, comments 13  🔥

Then appeared on Hacker News less than a minute later as Janet Verison 1.42.0 Out, submitted by veqq. Score 7, comments 0

First seen on Lobste.rs as Kale: A Transformation-Safe Spreadsheet System on 31 Aug 2026, submitted by yonkeltron. Score 18, comments 0

Then appeared on Hacker News 7h10 later as Kale: A Transformation-Safe Spreadsheet System, submitted by zdw. Score 2, comments 0

First seen on Lobste.rs as CSS is Still Awesome on 31 Aug 2026, submitted by untrusem. Score 14, comments 1

Then appeared on Hacker News 1h02 later as CSS Is Still Awesome, submitted by speckx. Score 4, comments 0

First seen on Hacker News as C++26: Standard Library Hardening Experiments on 31 Aug 2026, submitted by ibobev. Score 85, comments 53  🔥   ⭐(6)

Then appeared on Lobste.rs 2h59 later as C++26: Standard Library Hardening Experiments, submitted by lcapaldo. Score 7, comments 2

First seen on Lobste.rs as Any user process can escalate to root on 31 Aug 2026, submitted by ntietz. Score 9, comments 4

Then appeared on Hacker News less than a minute later as Any user process can escalate to root, submitted by ntietz. Score 3, comments 0

First seen on Lobste.rs as On not becoming a cyborg on 31 Aug 2026, submitted by cgrinds. Score 37, comments 25  🔥

Then appeared on Hacker News 13h21 later as Not Becoming a Cyborg, submitted by Refreeze5224. Score 37, comments 11  🔥

First seen on Hacker News as Cancelation Terminology on 31 Aug 2026, submitted by surprisetalk. Score 2, comments 0

Then appeared on Lobste.rs 1h01 later as Cancelation Terminology, submitted by vulcan. Score 31, comments 4  🔥

Then appeared on Hacker News 22h03 later as Cancelation Terminology, submitted by ibobev. Score 1, comments 0  💤

First seen on Lobste.rs as VibeCoded AI-Slop License v1.0 on 31 Aug 2026, submitted by ktr. Score 64, comments 43  🔥

Then appeared on Hacker News 6h42 later as VibeCoded AI-Slop License v1.0, submitted by birdculture. Score 3, comments 0

Then appeared on Hacker News 12h13 later as VibeCoded AI-Slop License v1.0, submitted by doctorwhat. Score 3, comments 0

Then appeared on Hacker News 10h19 later as VibeCoded AI-Slop License v1.0, submitted by ErenayDev. Score 1, comments 1

First seen on Lobste.rs as July in Servo: more platforms, faster canvas, web fonts in SVG, and more on 31 Aug 2026, submitted by FedericoSchonborn. Score 79, comments 7  🔥

Then appeared on Hacker News 3h16 later as July in Servo: more platforms, faster canvas, web fonts in SVG, and more, submitted by ErenayDev. Score 5, comments 1

First seen on Lobste.rs as Could Cargo's scheduler be better? on 31 Aug 2026, submitted by jana. Score 32, comments 0  🔥

Then appeared on Hacker News 3h39 later as Could Cargo's scheduler be better?, submitted by torutofu. Score 2, comments 0

First seen on Lobste.rs as curl: a CVE dispute on 31 Aug 2026, submitted by eugeny. Score 85, comments 28  🔥

Then appeared on Hacker News 35m later as A CVE Dispute, submitted by theanonymousone. Score 186, comments 48  🔥   ⭐(9)

First seen on Lobste.rs as The U.S. is more than just the US (according to the ISO) on 31 Aug 2026, submitted by jumex. Score 28, comments 17  🔥

Then appeared on Hacker News 5m later as The U.S. is more than just the US (according to the ISO), submitted by Ilimlza. Score 3, comments 0

First seen on Lobste.rs as Repeating Ourselves Less with M4 on 31 Aug 2026, submitted by zk. Score 30, comments 25  🔥

Then appeared on Hacker News 18h07 later as Repeating Ourselves Less with M4, submitted by birdculture. Score 5, comments 0

First seen on Hacker News as Wrapture on 31 Aug 2026, submitted by simonw. Score 1, comments 0  💤

Then appeared on Lobste.rs less than a minute later as Introducing wrapture, submitted by simonw. Score 4, comments 1

Then appeared on Hacker News 1 day later as Introducing wrapture, submitted by asplake. Score 1, comments 1

First seen on Lobste.rs as Rootless Docker and Its Hidden Security Trade-Offs on 31 Aug 2026, submitted by WilhelmVonWeiner. Score 18, comments 11  🔥

Then appeared on Hacker News 1h02 later as Rootless Docker and Its Hidden Security Trade-Offs, submitted by zdw. Score 4, comments 1

First seen on Hacker News as Omarchy: Any User Process Can Escalate to Root on 30 Aug 2026, submitted by trap0xcc. Score 526, comments 535  🔥   ⭐(1)

Then appeared on Lobste.rs 2h11 later as Omarchy: Any User Process Can Escalate to Root, submitted by ucirello. Score 117, comments 61  🔥

First seen on Lobste.rs as Interview with oofoe about REBOL, Forth, Decker, Janet and the VFx Industry on 30 Aug 2026, submitted by veqq. Score 29, comments 4  🔥

Then appeared on Hacker News 1h26 later as Interview with Oofoe about REBOL, Forth, Decker, Janet and the VFX Industry, submitted by veqq. Score 3, comments 0

First seen on Lobste.rs as But where does taste come from? on 30 Aug 2026, submitted by dustyweb. Score 63, comments 11  🔥

Then appeared on Hacker News less than a minute later as But where does taste come from?, submitted by paroneayea. Score 2, comments 0

Then appeared on Hacker News 15h57 later as But where does taste come from?, submitted by vinhnx. Score 1, comments 0  💤

Then appeared on Hacker News 1 day later as But where does taste come from?, submitted by birdculture. Score 1, comments 0  💤

First seen on Lobste.rs as Transfer files over an ethernet patch cable on 30 Aug 2026, submitted by robalex. Score 53, comments 26  🔥

Then appeared on Hacker News 14h07 later as Transfer files over an Ethernet patch cable, submitted by jllyhill. Score 182, comments 176  🔥   ⭐(3)

First seen on Hacker News as One Nix flake to rule them all on 30 Aug 2026, submitted by ingve. Score 90, comments 14  🔥   ⭐(8)

Then appeared on Lobste.rs 4h49 later as One flake to rule them all, submitted by PieWombat. Score 22, comments 6  🔥

First seen on Lobste.rs as Rust Function Overloading - Call for Experimentation on 30 Aug 2026, submitted by madsmtm. Score 43, comments 61 controversial  🔥

Then appeared on Hacker News 3h44 later as Rust Function Overloading – Call for Experimentation, submitted by torutofu. Score 2, comments 0

Then appeared on Hacker News 16h01 later as Rust Function Overloading – Call for Experimentation, submitted by vinhnx. Score 3, comments 0

First seen on Lobste.rs as Gram Editor 3.3.0 Released on 30 Aug 2026, submitted by patchunwrap. Score 76, comments 5  🔥

Then appeared on Hacker News 7h19 later as Gram Editor 3.3.0 Released, submitted by birdculture. Score 3, comments 0

Then appeared on Hacker News 8h37 later as Gram Editor Release 3.3.0, submitted by signa11. Score 3, comments 0

First seen on Hacker News as Bug Blindness on 30 Aug 2026, submitted by davidmckenna. Score 396, comments 274  🔥   ⭐(1)

Then appeared on Lobste.rs 1h12 later as Bug blindness, submitted by nolan. Score 41, comments 8  🔥

First seen on Lobste.rs as Omnipresent availability risks in cloud software on 29 Aug 2026, submitted by azhenley. Score 1, comments 0  💤

Then appeared on Hacker News less than a minute later as Omnipresent availability risks in cloud software, submitted by azhenley. Score 2, comments 0

First seen on Hacker News as California Passes AB-1856 for Open-Source Relief over Age Verification on 29 Aug 2026, submitted by mdp2021. Score 8, comments 1

Then appeared on Lobste.rs 9h09 later as California Passes AB-1856 For Open-Source Relief Over Age Verification, submitted by lonami. Score 57, comments 4  🔥

Then appeared on Hacker News 16h14 later as California Passes AB-1856 for Open-Source Relief over Age Verification, submitted by birdculture. Score 4, comments 0

First seen on Lobste.rs as Wrapping GTK4 in 800 lines of Clojure with Jolt on 29 Aug 2026, submitted by Yogthos. Score 23, comments 0

Then appeared on Hacker News less than a minute later as Wrapping GTK4 in 800 lines of Clojure with Jolt, submitted by yogthos. Score 3, comments 0

First seen on Hacker News as There's no such thing as Just a Tool on 29 Aug 2026, submitted by microflash. Score 2, comments 0

Then appeared on Hacker News 9h02 later as There's no such thing as Just a Tool, submitted by cratermoon. Score 2, comments 0

Then appeared on Lobste.rs 51m later as There's no such thing as Just a Tool, submitted by kirch. Score 129, comments 29  🔥

First seen on Hacker News as A better SQL in 11 lines of code on 29 Aug 2026, submitted by remywang. Score 43, comments 54 controversial  🔥   ⭐(17)

Then appeared on Lobste.rs 1 day later as A Better SQL in 11 Lines of Code, submitted by mpweiher. Score 43, comments 12  🔥

First seen on Lobste.rs as AI Revives a Dead Sleep Company on 29 Aug 2026, submitted by carlana. Score -1, comments 0  💤

Then appeared on Hacker News 1h54 later as AI Revives a Dead Sleep Company, submitted by speckx. Score 2, comments 0

First seen on Hacker News as ReactOS 0.4.16 on 29 Aug 2026, submitted by Torlan. Score 5, comments 0

Then appeared on Lobste.rs 5h47 later as Introducing ReactOS 0.4.16, submitted by bb010g. Score 42, comments 4  🔥

Then appeared on Hacker News 18h43 later as ReactOS 0.4.16, submitted by birdculture. Score 12, comments 2  🔥

Then appeared on Hacker News 17h09 later as ReactOS 0.4.16, submitted by marttt. Score 153, comments 42  🔥   ⭐(8)

First seen on Hacker News as Git.kernel.org Is "Interesting" to Crawlers on 29 Aug 2026, submitted by sohkamyung. Score 9, comments 1  🔥

Then appeared on Lobste.rs 7h00 later as Creepy crawlies, submitted by gmem. Score 137, comments 58  🔥

Then appeared on Hacker News 1h23 later as Creepy Crawlies, submitted by zdw. Score 5, comments 1   ⭐(1)

Then appeared on Hacker News 14h47 later as Creepy Crawlies, submitted by jay_kyburz. Score 24, comments 2  🔥

First seen on Lobste.rs as Being kicked out of the tech industry on 29 Aug 2026, submitted by jalcine. Score 165, comments 189  🔥

Then appeared on Hacker News 4h34 later as Being kicked out of the tech industry, submitted by birdculture. Score 27, comments 40 controversial  🔥

Then appeared on Hacker News 1 day later as Being kicked out of the tech industry, submitted by signa11. Score 21, comments 1  🔥

First seen on Hacker News as What GLM-5.3 Flash running on Chinese hardware means on 29 Aug 2026, submitted by ymolodtsov. Score 2, comments 0

Then appeared on Lobste.rs 12h33 later as What GLM-5.3 Flash running on Chinese hardware actually means, submitted by martinald. Score 19, comments 7

Then appeared on Hacker News 1 day later as What GLM-5.3 Flash running on Chinese hardware means, submitted by birdculture. Score 3, comments 0

First seen on Hacker News as Debian and the Sirens on 29 Aug 2026, submitted by klez. Score 7, comments 0

Then appeared on Lobste.rs 7h53 later as Debian and the sirens, submitted by danlamanna. Score 65, comments 24  🔥

Then appeared on Hacker News 5h00 later as Debian and the Sirens, submitted by frizlab. Score 17, comments 0  🔥

First seen on Hacker News as I tried vibe-coding a memory tool for AI and stared into the abyss of philosophy on 29 Aug 2026, submitted by milon. Score 3, comments 1

Then appeared on Lobste.rs 2m later as I naively tried vibe-coding a memory tool for agents and stared into the abyss of unsolved problems in philosophy, submitted by luiz. Score 29, comments 5  🔥

Then appeared on Hacker News 1 day later as Vibe-Coding a Memory Tool for Agents: Confronting Unsolved Philosophical, submitted by birdculture. Score 2, comments 0

First seen on Hacker News as Debian Votes to Allow "Responsible Use of Generative AI" on 29 Aug 2026, submitted by mappu. Score 10, comments 0  🔥

Then appeared on Lobste.rs 5h21 later as Debian Votes To Allow "Responsible Use Of Generative AI", submitted by laktak. Score 11, comments 9

Then appeared on Hacker News 1 day later as Debian Votes to Allow "Responsible Use of Generative AI", submitted by guerby. Score 1, comments 4

First seen on Lobste.rs as LLM usage in Debian neither endorsed nor prohibited on 29 Aug 2026, submitted by danlamanna. Score 57, comments 36  🔥

Then appeared on Hacker News 8h28 later as Debian AI vote: Option 5 "Responsible use of GenAI" won, submitted by flaburgan. Score 4, comments 2

Then appeared on Hacker News 1 day later as LLM usage in Debian neither endorsed nor prohibited, submitted by birdculture. Score 6, comments 5  🔥

First seen on Hacker News as cats.txt showed llms.txt evidence is GEO astrology on 28 Aug 2026, submitted by kaycebasques. Score 3, comments 0

Then appeared on Lobste.rs 1m later as How cats.txt showed llms.txt evidence is GEO astrology, submitted by kaycebasques. Score 47, comments 10  🔥

Then appeared on Hacker News 1 day later as How cats.txt showed llms.txt evidence is GEO astrology, submitted by birdculture. Score 4, comments 0

First seen on Hacker News as Breaking Claude Code Opus 5 Auto Mode on 28 Aug 2026, submitted by BerislavLopac. Score 4, comments 0

Then appeared on Hacker News 1 day later as 80% Prompt Injection Success Rate Against Claude Auto Mode, submitted by gr_norm. Score 3, comments 0

Then appeared on Hacker News 13h40 later as Breaking Claude Code Opus 5 Auto Mode, submitted by jaksa. Score 8, comments 2  🔥

Then appeared on Lobste.rs 32m later as Prompt Injection in Claude Code Opus 5 Auto Mode, submitted by skycam. Score 23, comments 24  🔥

Then appeared on Hacker News 1 day later as Breaking Claude Code Opus 5 Auto Mode, submitted by Recursing. Score 379, comments 116  🔥   ⭐(3)

First seen on Hacker News as Does Computer Science Need Computers? on 28 Aug 2026, submitted by Tomte. Score 8, comments 0

Then appeared on Hacker News 9h11 later as Does Computer Science Need Computers?, submitted by pykello. Score 6, comments 0

Then appeared on Hacker News 9h40 later as Does Computer Science Need Computers?, submitted by rbanffy. Score 2, comments 0

Then appeared on Lobste.rs 8h48 later as Does Computer Science Need Computers?, submitted by m-hodges. Score 10, comments 9

Then appeared on Hacker News 2h46 later as Does Computer Science Need Computers?, submitted by Anon84. Score 5, comments 2

Then appeared on Hacker News 13h05 later as Does Computer Science Need Computers?, submitted by Michelangelo11. Score 2, comments 2

Then appeared on Hacker News 1 day later as Does Computer Science Need Computers?, submitted by pseudolus. Score 3, comments 1

First seen on Hacker News as How I made Rustdoc 33% faster in one week on 28 Aug 2026, submitted by mariuz. Score 4, comments 0

Then appeared on Lobste.rs 1h08 later as How I made Rustdoc 33% faster in one week, submitted by rrampage. Score 50, comments 9  🔥

Then appeared on Hacker News 8h15 later as How I made Rustdoc 33% faster in one week, submitted by metrofun. Score 2, comments 0

Then appeared on Hacker News 21h16 later as How I made Rustdoc 33% faster in one week, submitted by camelid. Score 5, comments 1

First seen on Hacker News as “It works better in the app” on 28 Aug 2026, submitted by blenderob. Score 695, comments 475  🔥   ⭐(1)

Then appeared on Lobste.rs 4 days later as "iT woRKs BeTter in THe aPp!!", submitted by abnercoimbre. Score 8, comments 1

First seen on Hacker News as Pointer Stability for ArrayLists (In Zig) on 28 Aug 2026, submitted by anitil. Score 3, comments 1

Then appeared on Lobste.rs 14h45 later as Pointer Stability for ArrayLists, submitted by jbauer. Score 20, comments 4

Then appeared on Hacker News 5h23 later as Zig – Pointer Stability for ArrayLists, submitted by Retro_Dev. Score 2, comments 0

Then appeared on Hacker News 1 day later as Zig: Pointer Stability for ArrayLists, submitted by tosh. Score 119, comments 80  🔥   ⭐(7)

First seen on Hacker News as Data Became Code: We Ran Code Inside Fortune 500s on 27 Aug 2026, submitted by jonbaer. Score 4, comments 3

Then appeared on Hacker News 1 day later as We Ran Code Inside Fortune 500s Using Files They Published for AI Agents, submitted by nizbit. Score 3, comments 1

Then appeared on Lobste.rs 2 days later as Data Became Code: We Ran Code Inside Fortune 500s Using Files They Published for AI Agents, submitted by btp. Score -1, comments 1  💤

First seen on Lobste.rs as A Million Kakapos on 27 Aug 2026, submitted by mempko. Score 37, comments 19  🔥

Then appeared on Hacker News 6h51 later as A Million Kakapos, submitted by birdculture. Score 5, comments 2

Then appeared on Hacker News 4 days later as A Million Kakapos, submitted by mempko. Score 1, comments 0  💤

First seen on Hacker News as Two Alleged 'TeamPCP' Hackers Arrested in Australia on 27 Aug 2026, submitted by hacb. Score 20, comments 2  🔥

Then appeared on Hacker News 1 day later as Two Alleged 'TeamPCP' Hackers Arrested in Australia, submitted by Errorcod3. Score 5, comments 0

Then appeared on Lobste.rs 8h37 later as Two Alleged ‘TeamPCP’ Hackers Arrested in Australia, submitted by robey. Score 3, comments 1

Then appeared on Hacker News 3 days later as Two Alleged 'TeamPCP' Hackers Arrested in Australia, submitted by e12e. Score 4, comments 0

First seen on Hacker News as Bootstrappable Builds: How and Why on 27 Aug 2026, submitted by pykello. Score 1, comments 0  💤

Then appeared on Hacker News 21h29 later as Bootstrappable Builds: How and Why, submitted by signa11. Score 48, comments 59  🔥   ⭐(12)

Then appeared on Lobste.rs 3 days later as Bootstrappable builds: how and why, submitted by pushcx. Score 24, comments 4  🔥

First seen on Lobste.rs as Brief independent investigation of agents’ behavior, reasoning and collaboration in the OpenAI / Hugging Face hacking incident on 26 Aug 2026, submitted by saulshanabrook. Score 5, comments 1

Then appeared on Hacker News 1h34 later as Brief independent investigation of OpenAI / Hugging Face hacking incident, submitted by Philpax. Score 6, comments 1

Then appeared on Hacker News 9h47 later as Independent investigation of agents' behavior in OpenAI/Hugging Face incident, submitted by mellosouls. Score 7, comments 2

Then appeared on Hacker News 10h00 later as Investigation of agents in OpenAI / Hugging Face hacking incident, submitted by giardini. Score 5, comments 0

Then appeared on Hacker News 22h07 later as Investigation of agents' behavior in the OpenAI/HuggingFace hacking incident, submitted by thunderbong. Score 9, comments 1  🔥

Then appeared on Hacker News 1 day later as Independent investigation of agents' behavior in the Hugging Face incident, submitted by thunderbong. Score 2, comments 0

First seen on Lobste.rs as Why Google stores billions of lines of code in a single repository (2016) on 26 Aug 2026, submitted by juliethefoxcoon. Score 16, comments 13  🔥

Then appeared on Hacker News 4h12 later as Why Google stores billions of lines of code in a single repository (2016), submitted by speckx. Score 2, comments 0

Then appeared on Hacker News 1 day later as Why Google stores billions of lines of code in a single repository (2016), submitted by birdculture. Score 1, comments 0  💤

Then appeared on Hacker News 3 days later as Why Google Stores Billions of Lines of Code in a Single Repository (2016), submitted by diwash007. Score 2, comments 1

First seen on Hacker News as Scaling Memory Safety: AI-Assisted Rewrites of C/C++ Dependencies to Rust on 24 Aug 2026, submitted by afdbcreid. Score 15, comments 0  🔥

Then appeared on Lobste.rs 6h18 later as Scaling Memory Safety: AI-Assisted Rewrites of C/C++ Dependencies to Rust, submitted by dayanruben. Score 4, comments 2

Then appeared on Hacker News 1 day later as Scaling Memory Safety: AI-Assisted Rewrites of C/C++ Dependencies to Rust, submitted by coffeeaddict1. Score 2, comments 0

Then appeared on Hacker News 4 days later as Scaling Memory Safety: AI-Assisted Rewrites of C/C++ Dependencies to Rust, submitted by meerita. Score 4, comments 0

First seen on Hacker News as An interactive introduction to the spanning tree protocol on 24 Aug 2026, submitted by vbernat. Score 3, comments 1

Then appeared on Lobste.rs 22h54 later as An interactive introduction to the spanning tree protocol, submitted by vbernat. Score 38, comments 4  🔥

Then appeared on Hacker News 8h57 later as An interactive introduction to the spanning tree protocol, submitted by blueshoess. Score 1, comments 0  💤

Then appeared on Hacker News 1 day later as An interactive introduction to the spanning tree protocol, submitted by birdculture. Score 3, comments 0

Then appeared on Hacker News 5 days later as Step through the spanning tree protocol in the browser via WebAssembly, submitted by vbernat. Score 2, comments 0

First seen on Lobste.rs as tmp.0ut volume 5 on 23 Aug 2026, submitted by ehamberg. Score 34, comments 8  🔥

Then appeared on Hacker News 1h18 later as Tmpout: Elf Research – Edition 5, submitted by ghuntley. Score 4, comments 0

Then appeared on Hacker News 9h39 later as tmp.0ut Volume 5 – 2026-08, submitted by matt_d. Score 3, comments 0

Then appeared on Hacker News 1 day later as Tmp.0ut, Vol. 5, submitted by kmstout. Score 1, comments 0  💤   ⭐(5)

Then appeared on Hacker News 2 days later as Tmp.0ut Volume 5, submitted by guitmz. Score 50, comments 7  🔥

Then appeared on Hacker News 4 days later as Tmp.0ut Volume 5, submitted by ghuntley. Score 157, comments 34  🔥   ⭐(3)

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