First posted on 2024-10-26T14:01:16+0200
Originally posted on 2024-10-26T14:01:16+0200
do you realise you're repeating the lies of soviet historiography? will the next thing you say be that poland's invasion by nazi germany and soviet russia was self-inflicted, because poland didn't want to allow the corridor, and maltreated the german minority? will we be hearing next that saying that katyń massacre was done by soviets is a fascist lie? or perhaps that the protocol that divided the spoils of the war in eastern europe between the nazi germany and soviet russia was a figment of polish imagination?
Originally posted on 2024-10-26T11:53:39+0200
i guess the difference between us is that i've actually read stalin, and i know that even ghostwritten stalin is hundred percent tedious bullshit, even in polish translation.
Originally posted on 2024-10-26T11:29:44+0200
i see you come from the lovely bunch who thinks that the second world war began with nazi germany invading its until-that-moment ally.
Originally posted on 2024-10-26T08:37:21+0200
Anti-Russia hysteria is rampant in Sweden
Hysteria against illegal invasions should be a lot more common, in my opinion. Our seriousness about this has lead Sweden to be one of the top countries helping Ukraine, measured per capita or per GDP. This is an immensely good thing, and I wish other countries would do the same.
Originally posted on 2024-10-26T08:27:51+0200
Oh I'm well aware. I'm Swedish. Anti-Russia hysteria is rampant in Sweden, much to our ruling class' glee. Sweden's king (Gustaf V) was a Nazi lover. Anyone even remotely critical of the complete subjugation of my country to NATO is labeled a Putinist, a bot, a paid actor, or even a Stalinist as you can see below. Even our "left" party is now fully aligned with the Biden regime. Add to this the historical illiteracy, the tendency of lumping Russia and the USSR together, the complete ignorance around Soviet policy.. Being educated on political economy truly means the burden of being correct all the time.
Originally posted on 2024-10-26T08:04:24+0200
Stalin did plenty of things wrong. Reading Stalin is important to have accurate and relevant criticism, rather than repeating Nazi post-war nonsense. West Germany never denazified, and neither did Finland. The consequences of this are felt to this day.
Originally posted on 2024-10-26T07:41:01+0200
The fear of Russia is spread out in the whole Finnish society, not only the "upper class" (which is not that "upper" compared to countries such as US). The whole country has trauma from the war, our grandparents have PTSD from those times. The men were addicted, violent and quiet when they came back, they pushed their nightmares to the kids who are our parents. Soviets dictated the discussion and the leadership in Finland until the 80's.
And now Russia is doing it again. Finland has been one of the rare countries in the EU who's been pushing that NATO requirement of 2% military budget for a long time, compared to many others in Europe. People don't forget.
Originally posted on 2024-10-26T07:24:22+0200
you are arguing with a eurocentric swede, victim of nazi whitewashing.
Originally posted on 2024-10-26T07:12:34+0200
I'm not wasting time and effort debating with someone who believes that Stalin did nothing wrong.
Originally posted on 2024-10-26T07:04:24+0200
From this comment it seems that you are not aware of the seething hatred for Russia that exists in the Swedish and Finland-Swedish upper class, of which Torvalds is a part. This stems partly from Sweden's loss to Russia in the Finnish War. The Russian Federation under Putin obviously does many terrible things which I vehemently oppose. Russia's leadership is chauvinistic.
Originally posted on 2024-10-26T06:55:41+0200
They could have just negotiated neutrality with both sides
It's clear to me you don't have the necessary background knowledge for me to profitably continue to debate with you.
Originally posted on 2024-10-26T05:31:13+0200
Unprovoked
They could have just negotiated neutrality with both sides well before the Winter War, sat this thing out and maybe even profit from selling weapons but no, gotta align with the fascists and then whinge for almost a century now about losing or rewrite history to have won after all.
Originally posted on 2024-10-25T21:18:37+0200
unprovoked
Nazi lies. Please read up on the Finnish civil war and interwar politics in general. By no means was White Finland some uwu smol bean, as evidenced both by the Kinship Wars and by its actions following the Winter War. The Soviet leadership turned out to be 100% correct in its assessments. Anyone defending the Mannerheim regime should think very hardly about the fact that this means defending Generalplan Ost.
Originally posted on 2024-10-25T07:32:04+0200
Russian Federation has been allowed to poison the west with propaganda since early 2000s with apparently no countermeasures or effective consequences, and now (since 2014) in some sense they are attacking the west with military force as well. It's difficult to say without good visibility and without a historical view if this is a good countermeasure against that, but at least we're doing something now.
I guess this can be compared to how slowly different nations in the west rose to counter the nazi threat in 1930s.
Originally posted on 2024-10-25T06:33:46+0200
The only reason the republic of Finland decided to join the attack on the Soviet Union as co-belligerent to Nazi Germany was the fact that it had been attacked and invaded unprovoked by the Soviets in 1939. During this time Nazi Germany and the Soviet Union were bound by a mutual non-aggression pact, dividing the Eastern part of Europe between them, and leading to the extinguishing of independence in Poland, Estonia, Latvia and Lihuania.
Originally posted on 2024-10-25T05:08:53+0200
I am not a "Linus apologist". He'll have to explain and defend his own words, which do seem a bit unhinged.
While I do not defend xenophobia, I have to acknowledge at this moment that Russophobia (fear of Russia) is quite understandable, considering that Russia is illegally and violently attacking its neighbors (violating its own signed treaties, not to mention international law) and purposefully murdering civilians en masse -- that is, when their soldiers are not raping women or kidnapping children (all war crimes). They're also actively engaged in sabotage and assassination in a number of countries, including the USA, the UK, and a number of countries in the EU. All of this behavior is backed by the repeated threat by Russia to nuke other countries. If that doesn't make one a Russophobe (afraid of Russia), I'm not sure what could.
I strongly condemn any fear/hatred of Russians, though. We should carefully differentiate between official Russian government policies (war crimes, treaty violations, violence against civilians, violations of international law) and the people who happen to live within that dictatorial system, some of whom do not support Putin and his actions.
Originally posted on 2024-10-25T04:01:51+0200
You don't see anything wrong with silently terminating the status of people you worked alongside for years with no communication or farewell? the law doesn't tell you to do that, that just shows your character.
Originally posted on 2024-10-25T02:29:24+0200
Or could be Finns don't have a great opinion of Russia's neoimperialism due their previous experiences of (not just Russian) imperialism.
Originally posted on 2024-10-24T23:55:33+0200
I don’t know if that’s true. I’m half-Estonian and have just been living in Estonia for six months. In some areas the ethnic Russians outnumber ethnic Estonians; there simply isn’t room to judge them so indiscriminately, society would fall apart. Most people have friends, if not some distant family, in Russia — I know I do. Very few are those who glorify what is happening.
Originally posted on 2024-10-24T23:45:45+0200
I’m not going to judge this behavior here, or state that it’s justified or not justified.
Originally posted on 2024-10-24T22:28:16+0200
Yes, this is absolutely an emotional problem: these maintainers have been removed because they work for sanctioned companies; their employers have been sanctioned because they produce weapons and parts used to kill Ukrainians; the international community had an awful emotional reaction to this kind of murder and decided to make some laws which make it difficult to sell weapons to war criminals.
If emotions are what's required to take the bare minimum set of actions to prevent such crimes, I'm in favor of an emotional response. And if a side-effect is that collaborators can no longer be Linux maintainers, er, that's ok for me.
Originally posted on 2024-10-24T20:11:01+0200
Linus' characterization of dissent as "Russian state-sponsored spam" and of dissenters as "paid actors" can hardly be described as anything but xenophobia/russophobia
Linus' comments also provide cover for Finland's alliance with Nazi Germany and Finland's participation in the genocide-siege of Leningrad
Originally posted on 2024-10-24T19:37:31+0200
That the Soviet Union commited significant war crimes and atrocities between 1939 and 1991 in Eastern Europe is a matter of historical record. That will be within living memory for some still, and many of the rest will have lost family members or heard the testimony of those directly affected.
I'm not saying an "eye for eye" attitude is at all a helpful attitude in the long run, but it is quite understandable in some cases.
Originally posted on 2024-10-24T19:17:47+0200
Something I've noticed in communities with majorities of Baltic, Ukrainian, Finnish, Polish folk is the tremendous animosity towards not just the Russian government, but ordinary Russians as well. They are referred to as "orcs", and their war-time deaths are recorded and shared with glee. Those who aren't on the front-lines are blamed for the invasion, and for not resisting the government in more obvious ways.
I'm not going to judge this behavior here, or state that it's justified or not justified. I do wonder, though, whether Linus -- being Finnish -- has a similar attitude:
As to sending me a revert patch - please use whatever mush you call brains. I'm Finnish. Did you think I'd be supporting Russian aggression? Apparently it's not just lack of real news, it's lack of history knowledge too.
Perhaps it's an emotional problem here.
(Not saying that justifies his response at all.)
Originally posted on 2024-10-24T17:13:02+0200
If that was the case, wouldn't the US who has a track record for installing back-doors into every piece of technology they have access to be the top contender?
Originally posted on 2024-10-24T16:59:43+0200
Normalizing xenophobia is not the right decision, people don't choose where they are born. If any of the russian kernel devs attempt to add any malicious change, kick them out. You are just a victim of mainstream media campaign to demonize other human beings that happen to live in another countries. Same campaign that demonize people in Gaza, and other muslim populations. Very shameful.
Originally posted on 2024-10-24T14:13:13+0200
There are a lot russians who don’t support Russian aggression. Discrimination based on a trait people are born with, be it skin color or nationality, is racism. Linus is racist.
Can they also ban Israeli settlers from contributing to Linux or is that inconvenient for mossad agents to back door linux?
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